The Forgotten History of the Australian Slouch Hat

The slouch hat is so iconic that it has come to represent the armed forces of Australia. But its history goes back much farther. The History Guy remembers the forgotten history of the slouch hat.

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  • As many- many- Australians have noted, the name of the large, soft feathered flightless ratite is pronounced eem-you rather than ee-moo.

    The History Guy: History Deserves to Be RememberedThe History Guy: History Deserves to Be RememberedЖилийн өмнө
    • @Nocturnal Rites Nobody is saying that khaki is "unique to Australia". "Khaki" is Urdu for dust-coloured. It's been a standard uniform colour in India (including what is now Pakistan) since around 1850. That's 1.4 billion people. Australia's 25 million is a rounding error compared to the countries of its origin. Urdu is one of many Indian languages and is the official language of Pakistan. I was born in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, and went to school aged 7 and 8 in Quetta, Pakistan, about 60 miles from the Afghan border. Quetta was (is?) the home of the Pakistan army staff college, equivalent to the US Army Command and Staff College at Fort Leavenworth or, in the UK, the Joint Services Command and Staff College. All the students and army staff wore khaki. Must of the classes at school were in English. A couple were in Urdu. I learned to speak Urdu. Everyone pronounced khaki like "car-key". Also, in Australian slang, "kak" means shit. So someone saying that our uniforms are "kakki" is saying that they are shitty. I think that THG's pronunciation was consistent with an American accent on an Urdu word. He pronounced the "h" in "kha". He didn't cause 1.4 billion people to roll around laughing and he didn't imply that our uniforms are shitty. I've watched many of his videos and he's always been respectful of other countries' sensibilities. He's a good guy.

      roadie3124roadie31246 сарын өмнө
    • @Serendip Surely there can only be one pronunciation? It's pronounced "emu".

      roadie3124roadie31246 сарын өмнө
    • Great information. Just read down the comments, laughing hard at the comments telling Australians that we pronounce Emu wrong.😂😂

      Megan CooperMegan Cooper7 сарын өмнө
    • @007JHS 'hats ridiculous, troops for the use of' As a CSM my old giggle hat had faded while lost on the range and copped some holes. On exercises everyone could tell where my Coy was. They made me get a new one when we went o'seas!!!

      Timothy BaileyTimothy Bailey9 сарын өмнө
    • While we're on it Hat KFF, cackey is car key.

      David DouDavid Dou9 сарын өмнө
  • We got our boony hat after our troops kept stealing Ausie slouch hats

    salty roesalty roe5 өдрийн өмнө
  • Hi very informative, just one historical correction, the Queen was Coronated in 1953, not 54, the royal tour was 1954 and is often mistaken for her coronation year.

    Harris HarrodHarris Harrod16 өдрийн өмнө
  • Dont get me started on the pronunciation of forehead ( Its not a fore -head)

    Brian GBrian G23 өдрийн өмнө
  • Love this video. I'm a US Army veteran of Iraq & Afghanistan. A mild correction, the black Stetson is worn as a traditional headgear in Cavalry units, both air and ground (i.e. light, Stryker and heavy cavalry). The U.S. Dragoons prior to the Civil War also wore the Hardee hats as a standard headgear, differentiating them from the Cavalry and Mounted Rifles regiments. Overall, love your videos. These are great.

    DT FrancisDT FrancisСарын өмнө
  • Always enjoy your videos. This was another good one, nicely done, as usual.

    Earl LutzEarl LutzСарын өмнө
  • I thought some air defense groups just wore the slouch hat. Go figure.

    Terra CottaTerra Cotta3 сарын өмнө
  • Operated with the Aussies in 1960's RVN. however received my treasured slouch hat in 2001 from a Darwin army pilot.

    William TurnerWilliam Turner3 сарын өмнө
  • If they pinned the hats to avoid interference with rifle stocks when sighting and most riflemen were right handed, why did they pin the left side of their hats.

    dontall71dontall713 сарын өмнө
  • The general services badge now reads THE AUSTRALIAN ARMY

    Jim SpinkJim Spink4 сарын өмнө
  • 12:47 that is the worst pronunciation of the word ‘emu’ I’ve ever heard. Great video though!

    Sahelium DSahelium D4 сарын өмнө
  • What’s an eeee mooo?

    James MifsudJames Mifsud5 сарын өмнө
  • The Stetson is worn by all cavalry not just aviation. When. I was in the 3rd ACR, an officer has to win his spurs before he could wear the Stetson.

    Retired ColonelRetired Colonel5 сарын өмнө
  • A man, a hat, a plan: Panama.

    Toughen Up, FluffyToughen Up, Fluffy5 сарын өмнө
  • My grandfather served in the army during WW2 and held the rank of Lance Sergeant, do you a a picture of. The rank insignia

    Don DawsonDon Dawson5 сарын өмнө
  • Love your work THG, appreciate all your accurate episodes on the ozzy military specially.

    Shan GoddardShan Goddard5 сарын өмнө
  • "There's me with me slouch hat, my SLR and greens. God help me.....I was only 19"

    SplintWhiskySplintWhisky6 сарын өмнө
  • If the rifle interferes with wing of the hat ,fold the wing !

    Conrado HenriquzConrado Henriquz7 сарын өмнө
  • God forbid you say E-MOO. Can't remind them of THAT damned war.

    Noah HastingsNoah Hastings7 сарын өмнө
  • The soldier at 9:37 is Harry "Breaker" Morant.

    Bill FarnsworthBill Farnsworth7 сарын өмнө
  • Well, at least I learned a few things; One being that I'm really REALLY not into hats. lol I did watch to the end, though :)

    girladylocksgirladylocks7 сарын өмнө
  • Picked one up from my Aussie friends while serving with them during an exercise in Brizzy. Still hangs in my living room and brings great memories of my time spent there. They are great soldiers.

    Savage VikingSavage Viking7 сарын өмнө
  • Anyone else realised his backround changes mid video

    Jurassic MatthewJurassic Matthew7 сарын өмнө
  • The Last Charge mnthe.info/bill/video/l9adqZiufZ6TrZo&ab_channel=FrogCake The battle of Beersheba took place on 31 October 1917 as part of the wider British offensive collectively known as the third Battle of Gaza. The final phase of this all day battle was the famous mounted charge of the 4th Light Horse Brigade

    Gregory LuckieGregory Luckie7 сарын өмнө
  • monocorne, not unicorn

    David JacobsDavid Jacobs7 сарын өмнө
  • A wonderful presentation of an iconic part of Australia’s history. Thank you for doing this justice and imparting not only a proud history but also your great knowledge.

    Rod GalvinRod Galvin8 сарын өмнө
  • When Australian light horsemen were first asked by foreigners about the plumes in their slouch hats they replied that they were 'kangaroo feathers'.

    Shane GoodingShane Gooding8 сарын өмнө
  • Can you do an German/Austrian army ski caps?

    Eric WrightEric Wright8 сарын өмнө
  • The streetlights on Anzac Parade leading to the Australian War Memorial in Canberra are shaped like slouch hats unpinned.

    Toni IsaacsonToni Isaacson8 сарын өмнө
  • Love a good emoo feather

    Stewart BedfordStewart Bedford9 сарын өмнө
  • I owned a slouch hat as a teenager.

    David GodleyDavid Godley9 сарын өмнө
  • You are the Hat Man lol.

    David GodleyDavid Godley9 сарын өмнө
  • fight fight fight money money money now what do we do i dont know find someone to fight

    onlythewise1onlythewise19 сарын өмнө
  • The supposed greatest horse charge, was Australian mounted infantry (light horse) at Beersheba in Israel. The Turks were unable to train their guns quickly enough at the rapidly advancing horseman. Australian losses were minimal! The soldiers wore slouch hats!

    Rod McLarenRod McLaren9 сарын өмнө
  • The hat band is known as a ‘puggaree. I think come from India,

    Rod McLarenRod McLaren9 сарын өмнө
  • So glad you didn't keep this under your hat😁

    lp2317lp23179 сарын өмнө
  • Centralise the Rising Sun Badge on your sample.

    Bryce JamesBryce James9 сарын өмнө
  • Please do a video of the similar hats worn by the Boers during the Anglo Boer wars. It is quite striking to see the similarities, not only in the hats, but also the similar lifestyles and attitudes between South Africans and the Aussies. Southern brothers...us Saffas, the Aussies, and the Kiwis!

    StarriderStarrider9 сарын өмнө
  • Keeps you from wrecking your your hat when you dive into your foxhole .

    Norcanex S.G. LLC.Norcanex S.G. LLC.9 сарын өмнө
  • I really dislike how Americans say emu, the e and u are pronounced how you say the letter and the m is pronounced like it’s sound. Sorry the pronunciation of it gets on my nerves.

    Mitchell PrimmerMitchell Primmer9 сарын өмнө
  • Queen Elizabeth succeeded to the throne in February 1952,on the death of her father, but her coronation was not until June 1953.(13:37)

    Glyn JonesGlyn Jones9 сарын өмнө
  • No we were the feather so we never forget our one total military defeat.

    OTL The High Temple of SpamOTL The High Temple of Spam9 сарын өмнө
    • The Oz Army vs Super Chook: Super Chooks. 3 Oz Army. 0

      2359Rob2359Rob8 сарын өмнө
  • Excellent thank you. As a new member of the Australian Army, this was really interesting to know.

    Kilo of MilkKilo of Milk9 сарын өмнө
  • In the United States it was also called the Kossuth hat, after Lajos Kossuth. During the American Civil War (1861-65)

    Pete MPete M9 сарын өмнө
  • As an Australian soldier of 21 years I enjoyed this video.

    Dean MunroDean Munro9 сарын өмнө
  • Nomlicature?

    Rob GRob G9 сарын өмнө
  • All recruits when issued their hats are told to 'Bash' their hats into the shape that is acceptable to all those in command. This 'bash' or shape was to follow a standard shape by immersing the crown in boiling water and while still hot from the water, the dents and folds were created and then let cool and dry. This is how the hats held their shape, as the hats were made from rabbit fur from the many millions of rabbits that became the blight of the Australian farmers.

    K COXK COX9 сарын өмнө
  • The Irish used to call the hat a Brimmer........

    Val DarcyVal Darcy9 сарын өмнө
  • Trooper Frank Fisher Service number 2428 Ranks Held Indigenous servicemen, Private Birth Date 27 August 1880 Birth Place Australia: Queensland, Clermont Final Rank Trooper Unit 11th Australian Light Horse Regiment Place Clermont Conflict/Operation First World War, 1914-1918 Trooper Frank Fisher was born at Claremont, Qld, but at the time of his enlistment was living with his second wife Esme, and three children from his first marriage, at the Barambah Settlement, Qld (renamed Cherbourg Aboriginal Settlement in 1931). He enlisted in Brisbane on 16 August 1917 in the 28 Reinforcements to 11th Light Horse Regiment and embarked in Sydney on the troopship Ulysses (A38) on 19 December 1917. After landing at Suez he was transferred to the 4th Light Horse Training Regiment at Moascar, Egypt, and eventually to the 11th Light Horse Regiment on 13 April 1918. He returned to Australia on the troopship Morvada sailing from Kantara on 20 July 1919. After the war Fisher was a well known Rugby League player. 'King' Fisher played at five-eight in representative teams for Wide Bay and in 1932 and 1936 against touring teams from Great Britain. Frank Fisher is the great grandfather of the Olympic gold medallist Cathy Freeman.

    Dibby59Dibby599 сарын өмнө
  • For God's sake, lower the rising sun to it's appropriate position,

    Jingles BellJingles Bell10 сарын өмнө
  • Hahaa! Johnny Thunder's hat!

    Heru SolaresHeru Solares10 сарын өмнө
  • I just had to buy one the first time I went to Australia ...I’ve always been intrigued since I was a kid about that kind of military hat.

    Giancarlo PaoliniGiancarlo Paolini10 сарын өмнө
  • 11:40. The only thing better or scarier than a Gurkha is a smiling Gurkha, because it means that he is your friend or that he is going to enjoy killing you.

    The UsherThe Usher10 сарын өмнө
  • The service badge often called (incorrectly ) the rising sun is also called the shield of swords, or the bouquet of bayonets. If you look closely you can see the 'sun beams "are actually swords. In my time in the Australian infantry it was close to a punishment-able offense to call it a rising sun. And ALWAYS got the response "We are not Japanese" A really great doco thanks

    george smithgeorge smith10 сарын өмнө
  • Usado por los Afamados Tercios Españoles .

    Shaula Castro ReyesShaula Castro Reyes10 сарын өмнө
  • Well if your talking about the Australian Slouch hat talk about the Australian Slouch hat without talking about American hats ect

    chris iseppichris iseppi10 сарын өмнө
    • @Tabourba ok make it simple if you talk about the Aussie slouch hat then do so.......not about the American or any other slouch hat.simple enough English for you

      chris iseppichris iseppi9 сарын өмнө
  • ee-myou, mate, not ee-moo

    Freedom Leverage OnlineFreedom Leverage Online10 сарын өмнө
    • Otherwise, a ripper of a yarn about the the CAR-KEE slouch hat

      Freedom Leverage OnlineFreedom Leverage Online10 сарын өмнө
  • Yes, yes but we made it famous because we are Australians...

    Thomas WThomas W10 сарын өмнө
  • Nice job. Good pronunciation overall. One exception: emu is pronounced eem-yoo, not ee-moo.

    Ian Grant SpongIan Grant Spong10 сарын өмнө
  • Emu is pronounced "eem you" not "ee moo"

    Dave CannabisDave Cannabis10 сарын өмнө
  • Excellent History Guy. In Ireland, the slouch hat was known as the Boer hat or Cronje hat, and adopted by the left-wing Citizen Army. The Irish Volunteers wore a peaked cap. Both the Citizen Army and the Volunteers led the 1916 rising.

    emmet O'Connoremmet O'Connor10 сарын өмнө
  • As an Australian Veteran and RSM I’m surprised how accurate your video is. Well done! I’m impressed 😉

    Check Your Leader TVCheck Your Leader TV10 сарын өмнө
  • I am Aussie and my dad saw active service in Bouganville during WW2 and he used to call them Hat Fur Felt. I was in the RAAF and served in Malaysia in the early 1980's. Part of our tropical uniform was the slouch hat with blue head band denoting the RAAF. Also wore the light green shorts and short sleeved shirts. OHAS would have had a field day. Love the vid. Regards Huey

    Huey KIMLINHuey KIMLIN10 сарын өмнө
  • You mention the NSW Lancers, I was honoured to be part of the modern iteration of that regiment my two Great Grandfathers served in and ended up in the 1st Light Horse regiment AIF, shipped off to Egypt in 1914 and then on to Gallipoli. One continuing on to Palestine in 1916/17 the other coming home at the end of 1916. The NSW Lancers aka 1/15th and 2/15th are now an Armour corp regiment who have been wearing a black beret since WW2. My retired black beret sheepishly sits with both my G.Grandfathers memorabilia from the Boer War and WW1 in my study. Also still have my slouchie from the cadet corp upon reaching the rank of Sargeant... green berets prior to that.

    silly oldbastardsilly oldbastard10 сарын өмнө
  • What kind of boots did they wear?

    Conrad NelsonConrad Nelson10 сарын өмнө
  • Pug Colours Blue-Black Navy Kahki Army Blue Air Force

    TheSunkenTheSunken10 сарын өмнө
  • My father entered the Second World War towards the end as a member of the Lighthorse Brigade. He was a country lad who used to ride barefoot to school and everywhere else. However at some stage he was informed they had disbanded the Lighthorse Brigade and was instead put into the Transport division, which I think he enjoyed as he'd been driving a tractor on the farm since he was nine and could fix anything. Anyway, I have a photo of him wearing his slouchhat before he went away.

    Karen StoneKaren Stone10 сарын өмнө
  • Israel probably wouldn't exist without the Australian and NZ Light Horse.

    Cat HatCat Hat10 сарын өмнө
  • When I was in my late teens I was a fan of the TV show Rat Patrol. I lusted for one of those hats.

    CAROLINA PATRIOTCAROLINA PATRIOT10 сарын өмнө
  • It’s funny to me to see hates that serve no purpose except fashion. If it doesn’t protect against rain and sun it’s not a hat I my book, I’m not talking about this one necessarily just ones that have small brims or tricorns

    stenbak88stenbak8810 сарын өмнө
  • The sight of Ossama/Obama was disgusting..

    hauntedmoodyladyhauntedmoodylady10 сарын өмнө
  • I always wondered why it was pinned up on one side. Especially since it exposes one ear, which can't be helpful in the outback. I imagine many soldiers would rather have pinned it during drills but left it down when on patrol in the hot sun.

    Chuck HutchinsChuck Hutchins10 сарын өмнө
  • The slouch hat is so rarely worn by navy, it is issued headwear for navy but never actually required to wear. Also the hook/pin is removed when issued

    Dingo97 jkDingo97 jk10 сарын өмнө
  • An intersting note: The emu feather/s (known as a 'plume') are worn differently by individual cavalry units. Some units will wear a single large feather, and others a collection long thin feathers (Emu feathers vary widely in size as the bird matures). If a foreigner were to ask an Australian soldier about the feather, don't be surprised if the soldier confidently yet jokingly refers to it as a 'kangaroo feather'. Australian soldiers have a peculiar sense of humour and enjoy the look of puzzlement on the faces of those who had no idea that kangaroos (dont) have feathers. Of course a quick witted soldier is ready for for a 'smart arse' who might respond by saying "But kangaroos don't have feathers!' ... The retort will most likely be something like "C'mon Mate.... haven't you ever heard of the flying kangaroo?"

    Deefa LeeDeefa Lee10 сарын өмнө
  • My grandfather was in he 5th lighthorse in the first world war., His slouch hat held a emu plume . It is called slouch hat because it's not worn on top of the head but rather tilted to one side as in slouched down.

    Poddy dodgerPoddy dodger10 сарын өмнө
  • Bullshit! The Australian pugaree has 7 folds for each military district. The Australian slouch hat is solely worn by the Australian Army, not as you tell us by the RAAF and RAN. RAAF and RAN have their ceremonial head dress.

    IvanIvan10 сарын өмнө
  • A great snippet of info particularly that of the puggery. My son's uniform hat sits pride and place on my wardrobe. I was examining the folds only a couple of weeks ago and I wondered about its significance. My son has taken an indefinite leave from the reserves as he studies for his Masters. I said I would look after it for him as he is transient. His great grandfather and many great uncles served WW1 WW2. The Australian pride continues. Many thanks for your persistent endeavour in reigniting the importance of history.

    mirimar69mirimar6910 сарын өмнө
  • Got an old slouch hat, got my roll on my shoulder,,,

    Bill BrightBill Bright10 сарын өмнө
  • Yes they are emu feathers, but are traditionally know as kangaroo feathers. The Australian Lighthorsemen were typical Aussie larrikins and would tell everyone that they got the feathers from kangaroos. It started as a joke but they are always referred to as kangaroo feathers. At the official opening of the Sydney Harbour Bridge a lighthorseman by the name of Capt. De Groot rode up and slashed the ribbon before the Duke could as a form of protest about the way returned soldiers were treated,

    Heather MullenHeather Mullen10 сарын өмнө
  • I wore a slouch hat in the school cadets and later in the CMF (Citizens' Military Forces) renamed the Army Reserve. I wore it with pride being aware of some of its history. But the History Guy has certainly expanded that knowledge for me. Thank you. The Kiwis also wore a slouch with a different "bash" from ours. We called it a lemon squeezer. :-)

    Moishe PipickMoishe Pipick10 сарын өмнө
  • "If I had to choose soldiers to take a place I would choose Australians and New Zealanders to keep it." FELDMARSCHALL Erwin Rommel

    Andrew StackpoolAndrew Stackpool10 сарын өмнө
  • I gifted my slouch hat to a US Navy Senior Chief based at US Navy London in 1990

    vinorobvinorob10 сарын өмнө
  • Goodonyamate

    vinorobvinorob10 сарын өмнө
  • It is pronounced kharkee NOT kaki . Get it right you fool!

    Ron JohnsonRon Johnson10 сарын өмнө
  • That was GREAT research. I am from Victoria and my family was once the publicans of a hotel in central Victoria (Toolen Hotel). We were sponsors of the victorian mounted rifles by having collection boxes on the bar. The victorian mounted rifles were made up off and originally created by farmers as a "harsh" deterrent to cattle rustlers. They also made protection money from successful gold miners wanting protection of their stake in the golden triangle in central victoria. They were in such large number's that they were given an official title in order to take control off rather than have run as a potentially threatening militia to the control of the empire in the colony of Victoria. Lessons learned from the American colony i would suspect. subscribed!

    NOISLAMONAZIS DOTCOMNOISLAMONAZIS DOTCOM10 сарын өмнө
  • Have to ask Dad where he got his. (RCR 2nd Div.)

    Mark BernierMark Bernier10 сарын өмнө
  • Thank you for your history video. As a Australian Veteran there are a couple of points to always observe. The slouch hat is always pinned up on the left. The colour is pronounced "kar-kee" not "kack-ee" And you already know that the famous bird on our Coat of Arms is an "eem-you" . By the way. The hat is worn with a slant of two fingers over the left ear. The bottom buckle is always in direct line with the side of the mouth. The chin strap is always across the leading edge of the chin...not under or over. And for many years the slouch hat has been made by the iconic Australian company "Akubra". It is made out of rabbit fur.

    WorkingdogcentreWorkingdogcentre10 сарын өмнө
  • Now I know who truly is the Mad History Hatter! Well done!

    Frostie-FlakeFrostie-Flake10 сарын өмнө
  • Coulda' been half the length it was. But stil good.

    Terry BakerTerry Baker10 сарын өмнө
  • One comment I forgot. And important for horsemen. The hat was superb for watering horses and still retained its shape.

    Andrew StackpoolAndrew Stackpool10 сарын өмнө
  • During the Bush War, the Rhodesian African Rifles and Grey's Scouts also wore the pinned slouch hat with their dress uniforms, reverting to berets, boonie hats, or the poorly designed "C" cap for field wear. When engaged in a firefight and calling in air support, Rhodesian soldiers would wear their combat caps inside out, revealing a "Dayglo" panel allowing "G-Car" helicopter gunships to discern friendly from enemy troops.

    Alan McCrightAlan McCright10 сарын өмнө
  • I bought an Australian slouch hat at an Army Surplus Store in Sydney, Australia back in 1985. The badge on the side says “Australian Military Forces.” It has survived the many moves to overseas Posts and State side. Need to take it to a Western shop and have it cleaned and blocked. Hope they can fix the outer band folds. One of my favorite hats for sunny days. Gets a lot of attention. Ta mate!

    rpsimons58rpsimons5810 сарын өмнө
  • We don't pronounce the colour Khaki as "Ka Ki" it is pronounce "Kar Ki" here in Australia... and it's EemYou not Eemoo...

    LJW55LJW5510 сарын өмнө
  • I served in the Australian Army from 1981-2001 we used the Slouch Hat pinned up for Ceremonial Dress and down for general duties and in the Field but by 2001 we only used it for Ceremonial Duties and Barracks dress only but not in the field

    HarldinHarldin10 сарын өмнө
  • ha, first question I was asked when I joined the Victorian Mounted Rifles was ... "Can you ride a horse" ... that was in 1989

    Thomas KatThomas Kat10 сарын өмнө
  • Very interesting. Thanks for that mate!

    CulturedboganCulturedbogan10 сарын өмнө
  • A lot of historians would already be aware of this but if you take a close look at the picture featured at 10:10 one of the soldiers is actualy deceased and being propped up by soldiers on either side

    techron mattictechron mattic10 сарын өмнө
    • I have heard that myth many times. Here is what a simple internet search will find:- 11btn.wags.org.au/index.php/myths/myths-1-4 Here is the relevant section. "Myth 2 There is a dead soldier up near the top of the pyramid, and he is held up by his mates. (Alternates between ID# 170 & ID# 31) ID# 170 who "has a rod up his back his mate holding his collar" (ID# 169) or ID# 31 "the dead man is laying against the rocks" This is a myth of mammoth proportions. Myth of the first dead man Myth 2 - Center soldier here is very much alive and well when the photo was taken - Myth debunked Lieutenant Murphy 27 December 1917, Samy, France There is no record of any 11th Battalion soldier having died in the days prior to the photo being taken. No soldier in his right mind would have treated his mate with such disrespect. If there was such an effort by the men of the battalion, the officers would not have tolerated any attempt to go through with such a caper. In any event, it would have been a huge task to carry a dead man up the pyramid and not something that even the fittest soldier would have undertaken, especially under the watchful eye of their commanding officers. ID# 170 (center in left image) is Corporal Frederick Edwin MURPHY (S# 504) of the Machine Gun section of the 11th battalion. Corporal Murphy is clearly leaning back against a pyramid stone. He was wounded at Gallipoli, went on to serve with the 15th Australian Machine Gun Company, served in France in 1916-17, promoted to CSM W.O. Class 2, he was discharged in Perth in 1918 having attained the rank of Lieutenant (image right). Fred Murphy died at Subiaco in Perth in 1971 aged 77 and is buried at Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth, Western Australia. Standing behind Corporal Murhpy with his hands joined across his groin behind Cpl Murphy's head is ID# 169 Lance Corporal Samuel James WEEKS (tentatively identified). He is not holding on to Corporal Murphy by his webbing straps. Myth 2 - Soldier on top left may be some what relaxed, but is very much alive when the photo was taken. Myth debunked.Myth of the other/second dead man ID# 31 (top left in image on the right) is totally relaxed, probably exhausted from his climb up the pyramid. We have yet to identify this man. We know the man next to him (on the right - his left) is 343 Lance Corporal Joseph Eric Piercy (ID# 32), he returned to Australia as a Lieutenant, received a Military Cross and Bar for action in France, was a Captain in Military Intelligence and served in "Z" force in WWII; he was a professional soldier of high integrity and not the sort of man who would disrespect his mates. The man seated immediately below the supposed second dead man, at ID# 104, has been tentatively identified as Sern 141, Private Joseph William Bunning, the soldier next to him is identified as 1048 Private Ferdinand George Medcalf. Both of these soldiers were also men of integrity and returned to Australia to fulfil their promise. Myth 2 is debunked." PLUS From www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/debunk There are plenty of synonyms for "debunk," including "disprove," "rebut," "refute," and the somewhat rarer "confute." Even "falsify" can mean "prove something false," in addition to "make something false." "Debunk" itself often suggests that something is not merely untrue, but also a sham; one can simply disprove a myth, but if it is "debunked," the implication is that it was a grossly exaggerated or foolish claim.

      Peter AnthonyPeter Anthony10 сарын өмнө
    • @Matt McGuire debunked yet never proven?

      techron mattictechron mattic10 сарын өмнө
    • That myth was debunked years ago. There is no record of any AIF Soldier's death in a time frame that would make it possible for him to be there. I think is detailed in "Bully beef and Balderdash" by Graeme Wilson, along with many other myths about the first AIF. He also wrote a second book on AIF myths and and a book on the myths around the Simpson. All impeccably researched.

      Matt McGuireMatt McGuire10 сарын өмнө
  • Loo -tenant is American. It's pronounced lef -tenant for British and Commonwealth armies!!!

    peter rhodespeter rhodes10 сарын өмнө
  • Coronation of QE2 was in 1953 - 13:36

    __________10 сарын өмнө
  • How about doing an episode on New Zealand Army hero Charles Upham VC and Bar, the only person to be awarded a second combat Victoria Cross and a former POW in Colditz Castle.

    Graham BakerGraham Baker10 сарын өмнө